tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post2156592476617644768..comments2023-11-02T01:41:40.659-07:00Comments on homeschool chumash: Vayikra 20:20-21arijesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04054624664476807741noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-3662246014996366072014-05-10T19:33:25.246-07:002014-05-10T19:33:25.246-07:00You are factually correct that the crimes with the...You are factually correct that the crimes with the death penalty do not necessarily cause one to lose olam haba.<br /><br />However it is interesting to note that chiuvei kares are also not on the list of exceptions to "kol yisrael yesh lahem chelek leolam haba" <br /><br />The rambam's explanation of kares in the moreh (3:41) is also interesting : <br />"ודרגת חיוב הכרת, והיא המלקות ברצועה עם הדעה כי עברה זו מן החמורות. <br /><br />Also, perhaps when measuring the severity of onshim, we aren't measuring the metaphysical significance of the consequence, but how they serve in a sociopolitical framework.<br /><br />as an aside: Murder has its own difficulties since it (at least in some sense) is worse then all other issurim (hilchos rotzeach 4:9 - the case of achav).even those whose technical onesh is worse.<br />Yaakovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790728277413993602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-43489789738352597062014-05-09T16:02:47.953-07:002014-05-09T16:02:47.953-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Yaakovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790728277413993602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-90781592076716915722014-05-09T12:34:52.678-07:002014-05-09T12:34:52.678-07:00am i wrong that if a person doesn't do teshuva...am i wrong that if a person doesn't do teshuva for, let's say murder, he still doesn't lose olam haba? ie kol yisroel yesh lahem chelek l'olam haba except for the following etc. and i don't think people who die from death penalty lose olam haba.arijesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04054624664476807741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-58049752466670780482014-05-09T11:33:41.308-07:002014-05-09T11:33:41.308-07:00Legally it is more severe, for example if you have...Legally it is more severe, for example if you have a choice between two issurim you choose the lighter, and a chiuv karet is lesser then a chiuv mitah. (for the full order of punishment levels see the Rambam's comments on Avot 2:1 "hizaher bmitzvah kalah kivichamura"<br /><br />I suspect the reason that karet is less severe is that if a person does teshuva they don't lose olam haba, Yaakovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790728277413993602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-29566546537507932252014-05-04T16:02:32.547-07:002014-05-04T16:02:32.547-07:00in what sense do you mean more severe? to me, bei...in what sense do you mean more severe? to me, being cut off permanently from the jewish people is more severe than death. at least with the death penalty, there is still olam haba and eternity.<br /><br />thank you for the explanation that all lavin get lashes, which includes kares violations.arijesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04054624664476807741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-31934133934013114342014-05-03T21:18:06.638-07:002014-05-03T21:18:06.638-07:00Yes, surprisingly the death penalty is more severe...Yes, surprisingly the death penalty is more severe a punishment than kares.<br />It is not a halacha lemoshe misinai, but rather that all lavin get lashes, which includes those which are chayav karet, unless they are excluded.<br />It serves the purpose of teshuva/kappara, that if the person punished by malkos does teshuva the kares is removed, see hilchot sanhedrin 17:7.<br />The gemara discusses these issues in makot 13b at the top and 23a at the bottomYaakovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790728277413993602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-60005361560354731712014-05-02T13:19:32.478-07:002014-05-02T13:19:32.478-07:00thanks! i didn't know that something with the...thanks! i didn't know that something with the penalty of kares gets malkos. <br />it's kind of strange to me, since i associate the death penalty as more severe than lashes. but kares as more severe than the death penalty. <br />is it halacha l'moshe misinai that kares violations (with witness and warning?) get lashes? <br />what is the idea of giving lashes?arijesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04054624664476807741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4301845215340975827.post-82920542027304290932014-05-02T13:08:48.627-07:002014-05-02T13:08:48.627-07:00It still has karet and therefore malkut, see issur...It still has karet and therefore malkut, see issurei biah 1:1 and , 1:7 and hilchot sanhedrin 18:1 and 19:1Yaakovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11790728277413993602noreply@blogger.com